george tubin is with us tonight in boston. are companies, george, taking cyber-security serious today? >> that's a good question. i think unfortunately, the answer depends. some companies are. certain industries that have been hit, and have had issues lately over the past couple of years, like retailers, some of the payment processing sites, banks, certainly defense companies. but i think as a whole, unfortunately, in the u.s. companies are not taking it seriously enough yet. >> tom: you know, initially we saw denial of service attacks. essentially hackers trying to shut down a website. are they becoming more fef nefarious? >> yes. and costumers can't get to the website, and that company can't service their costumers. that's one level of attack. what is more nefarious, the more dangerous attacks, are those that go after company data and company information and actually steal money. >> tom: obviously, cash money has a value, even if it is cyber-oriented. but what else are the hackers after and what is the value and who is the b